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Should Akin Stay In The Senate Race? Poll Shows Division Among Missouri Republicans

While Republicans nationally question if Rep. Todd Akin's U.S. Senate campaign can survive, an unscientific poll of Missouri GOP insiders finds his controversial remarks about rape and pregnancy will hurt his standing with conservative voters.

U.S. Representative Todd Akin continued making the rounds on conservative talk radio outlets Monday in an attempt to apologize for controversial remarks made about abortion, "legitimate rape," and pregnancy

But influential Republicans are unconvinced he should stay in the race: That's the main finding of this week's Red Arch survey.

In an unscientific Patch poll of 32 Republican Party influencers taken since late Sunday night, 47 percent percent said the Wildwood Republican should stay in the race, while 40.5 percent said he should drop out. Four respondents, or 12.5 percent, said they had no opinion.

4:26 p.m. Editor's Note: An earlier version of this story indicated 47 percent of Missouri Republicans polled said Representative Akin should leave the race. That is actually the percentage which believes he should stay in the Senate Race. Patch apologizes for any confusion. 

Fifty-six percent said they agreed that the comments would hurt when it came to attracting conservative votes, the group Akin spent Monday courting on programs hosted by Mike Huckabee and Sean Hannity.

Criticism of Akin has steadily mounted on Monday, as outlets like the National Review have suggested Akin step aside so another GOP nominee can face Claire McCaskill.

More than 78 percent of the influential Republicans responding agreed in some way that the comments would hurt Akin with moderate voters, and 56 percent said the controversy would still be an issue a month from now.

Here's a sampling of what respondents said they would suggest Akin do moving forward:

Be upfront about the mistake, explain your position, and pivot to what's important - the economy

Quit talking about anything other than the economy. Seriously. ANYTHING.

Step Down ASAP

Take the high road & withdraw.

If you want to beat Claire, you have to step aside... This is not about you, it's about the cause.

He should not change who he is or what he believes but he does not communicate those things very well. His meaning on the topic was completely lost because he spoke in "his world" speech which people in that world understand but makes not sense to others as we see!

go on TV with paid time to explain his statement.

The last piece of advice could be getting difficult to afford. While Akin tweeted just after 2 p.m. that he was staying in the race and was looking for donors, news outlets are reporting that funding sources from outside groups have said they would withdraw plans to advertise in Missouri with Akin in the race.

The Red Arch/Blue Arch Survey 

Patch political surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in Missouri. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. Interviews for this poll were conducted between August 19-20. This survey closed at approximately 1:45 p.m. on August 20.

Patch will be conducting Red Arch and Blue Arch surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives, liberals and moderates on the ground in Missouri.

If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a bi-weekly survey that lasts just a few minutes, please email Gregg.Palermo@patch.com.

 

 

The Red Arch Roster:

Ruth Springer (former Olivette Mayor), Frederic Steinbach (former Chesterfield Mayor), Randy Jotte (Candidate for Congress), Katy Forand (Gravois Township Committeewoman) Scott Rupp (State Senator/Secretary of State Candidate), Rick Stokes (Wentzville Alderman/State Rep. Candidate), Charlie Hinderliter (State Legislative campaign manager), Mark Parkinson (State Rep.), Chrissy Sommer (State Rep.), Jon Bennett (St. Charles Township Committeeman), Eugene Dokes (Chairman of St. Charles County Republican Central Committee), Chuck Gross (former State Senator), Cheryl Bates (St. Charles Young Republicans President), Penny Henke (St. Charles County Republican Central Committeewoman), Joe Cronin (St. Charles County Council), Terry Hollander (St. Charles County Council), Mike Nunnery (Republican voter), Jim Pepper (O'Fallon City Council), David Blanke (Lewis & Clark Republican Township Committeeman), Robyn Hamlin (Candidate for Congress), Don Bickowski (Jefferson County Council member), Linda Van De Riet (Jefferson County Republican Central Committee member), Renee Reuter (Jefferson County Council Member), D.J. Cully (Jefferson County Council candidate), Roy W. Sims (High Ridge Township Republican committeeman candidate), Celeste Witzel (GOP Committeewoman for the Oakville Township), Alan Leaderbrand (GOP Committeeman for the Lemay Township), Kourtney Lamb (President of the Brentwood Young Republicans), Dennis Broadbooks , (Wild Horse Township), Eileen Tyrrell (Meramec Township Member), Judy Hon (Chesterfield Township Committeewoman), Anne Gassel (Wild Horse Township Committeewoman), Chris Howard (Lafayette Township Committeeman/Convention Delegate), Kevin Rejent (Election Attorney), Richard C. Rowe (Republican voter), Rekha Sharma (State Rep. Candidate), Darin Morley (Reboot Congress blogger), Mark Zinn (GOP Consultant), Cynthia Davis (candidate for Lt. Governor), Sue Allen (State Rep.), Claire Chosid (Republican voter), John Diehl (State Rep.), Lee Presser (blogger/tv host), Ed Martin (Attorney General candidate), Carl Bearden (Former State Rep/Exec. Dir. United for Missouri), Michael Morton (Regional Political Director/Ann Wagner campaign), Christopher Brooks (Candidate For County Central Committee), Marsha Haefner (State Rep.), Cloria Brown (State Rep.), Philip Scherry (Rock Hill Alderman), Derek Michael Spencer (Regional Political Director/Brad Lager For Lt. Gov.), Brian Spencer (State Rep. candidate), Catherine Dreher (Candidate for Committeewoman candidate), Annette Read (Candidate, Missouri River Township GOP Committeewoman), Chris Gard (State Rep. candidate), Anthony Pousosa (St. Louis County Council candidate), Kit Crancer (Chief of Staff, State Senator Jane Cunningham), Cole McNary (Candidate for State Treasurer), Michael Burr (Creve Coeur Township Committee Candidate), Maria Burr (Creve Coeur Township Committee Candidate), Bill Stouffer (Candidate for Secretary of State), Tyler Holyfield (State Rep. Candidate), David Wissler (Gravois Township Committee candidate), Pat Walker (Maryland Heights Township Committee candidate), Maggie Walker (Maryland Heights Township Committee candidate), Scott Pinkham (Boone Township Committee candidate), Teresa Douglas (Lemay Township committee candidate).

Devon Seddon August 21, 2012 at 06:57 PM
What makes you think staying in the race means you'll find out more about him? Claire stayed in the race, yet you still don't know who she is or what she believes. I don't agree with the "legitimate rape" comment, but, the evidence is in: forcing religious organizations to pay for something that they (not only don't believe in, but) are directly against because of God, IS putting government in place of God. It's done. You can't argue it away anymore than Akin can. If that statement upsets you, either get upset at those who are DOING it (not just saying it), or prove it's not true. Since it is happening everywhere around you, unfortunately the proof will not support your point. Just look at the Liberals (who want bigger government) bashing Christians on this very site. If you think "at the heart of liberalism really is a hatred for God and a belief that government should replace God" is a false statement, then you have your head buried in the sand. It's happening. You can "label" those statements whatever you want, but you can't & won't even try to prove them wrong. Even if Akin is an idiot, it doesn't mean we should forget, that we already have an idiot, liar, insider-trader, and someone that thinks she knows better than you how to spend your money, already occupying that office. PS- I'm ok with living with my choices, I'm just tired of living with emotionally-charged uninformed choices that keep tearing down what builds an economy & creating dependents it can't support.
PaulRevere August 21, 2012 at 06:58 PM
Abortion is Killing. A debate on when life begins can be had, but once determined, it IS KILLING. Does anyone want to debate the commandment "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"? Now Claire McCaskill is FOR abortion. She is for all sharing in another's abortion. The Rape question is a distraction from the argument against Abortion. So what , if a woman raped wants to get an abortion. That is her Right. We all know that AKIN was not inferring that all rape victims MUST carry the child to be born. He does not have any agenda to do that. He does emphasize that is what he would advocate, if faced with his own family. You know that one person could not get any law passed without congress. My take?:: He answers the question with "legitimate" as he should have said "Proven rape"
E. Schmidt August 21, 2012 at 07:20 PM
>>>What makes you think staying in the race means you'll find out more about him?<<< Because when he opens his mouth, we learn who he really is and how he really thinks (or doesn't think) as the case may be. I want him to stay in the race.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 21, 2012 at 08:58 PM
Setelman was third in the primary. Brunner was second. Akin has until 5pm CST today to withdraw. (A little over an hour from now) If he stays in, he can file for a court order removing his name from the ballot. The court order must be handed down by 25 September. That gives him five weeks. BUT, Democratic Secretary of State Robin Carnahan could fight any court order that Akin might file, and push the decision past the 25 September deadline. So there ya go.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 21, 2012 at 09:31 PM
@PaulRevere http://mehlville-oakville.patch.com/articles/should-akin-stay-in-the-senate-race-poll-shows-division-among-missouri-republicans#comment_4432824 I have to mention this. It's spelled CONSENSUAL. You use the word 'proven' to clarify your point about women claiming rape falsely. Would you have every rape victim go to court, get a conviction, and then be allowed to have an abortion? The problem there (one of the problems) is that the modern Republican party does not allow abortions in the case of rape or incest. The point is moot. Rape victims (victims of your so-called 'proven rape') would still be forced to carry their rapist's child. Mr. Akin said so in the Jaco interview. JACO -- “Okay, so ... what about in the case of rape? Should [abortion] be legal or not?” AKIN -- “It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. “But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.” NOT ATTACKING THE CHILD. The man is factually and socially ignorant. I pray he stays in the race.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Debate a biblical commandment 's relevance in a legal proceeding? Nope. It's not relevant at all. Remember, religious teachings have no place in the legal system. He did not 'infer' that the rape victim should carry the baby. He said it PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON YOUR FACE that she should. That she should be forced to carry the rapist's child until it is born because the government said so. It is what he has ALWAYS said. Outlaw all abortions with no rape or incest exceptions? Check. “If you think about it we’ve aborted however many – 40 million – Americans through abortion. If those Americans had not been aborted, we might have more laborers here." -- Todd Akin, 12 July 2011 Personhood Amendment to the US Constitution? Check. Transvaginal ultrasound requirement? Check. Eliminate Title X? Check. Outlaw birth control pills? Check. Outlaw Plan B? Check. “As far as I’m concerned, the morning-after pill is a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country." -- Todd Akin, KCMO Radio 8 Aug, 2012 (Except that Plan B is an emergency contraceptive, not an abortive.) Why does the Republican Party hate women?
PaulRevere August 22, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Scott: I would not want anyone who has been raped to have the baby. They could also give the child to Adoption. That is also a choice. Going to court is not the issue. The issue is whether a "rape" is used loosely to get the abortion. If this country suddenly "PAID" for abortions, (My money), I am 100% the usage of "I was Raped" will skyrocket. There is just too many loose lifestyles and out of marriage babies accepted in society. It is not Religion --It is Non-Religion that will steal morality around us. (I would also state the Famous "Duke" university false "rape" claim ruined many lives of innocent victims. Would you label that a "Rape" or a "legitimate rape" or a "False rape". Akin said a "legitimate" rape. I say he meant a "proven" rape. His Stupid comments about how a women can shut down to make his non-pregnancy point was Offensive to me and the world. Thanks for the spell correction. I know I bat 80% in spelling.!
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 22, 2012 at 12:36 AM
http://crevecoeur.patch.com/articles/should-akin-stay-in-the-senate-race-poll-shows-division-among-missouri-republicans#comment_4436621 You might not want anyone that was raped to have the baby? Then why say in the very next sentence that another option is to give it up for adoption? That would be precluded on having the baby. It's also what Akin supports. He wants to FORCE the victim to carry the child. A 14 year old girl is gang raped by a dozen men in an empty warehouse in Indiana for a week and a half. Akin says, "Sorry! You have to carry that baby or you're going to prison (and to Hell)." His social policies are out of touch with reality. His knowledge about basic biological functions is supremely deficient. I don't know if he's a young earth, dinosaurs-and-men-lived-together kook or not, but I don't want to find out at the tip of his legislative pen either. Keep abortion legal and you keep it safe. Then none of this matters. It's really that simple.
Michael Hoffmann August 22, 2012 at 03:05 AM
The Democrats are going to hold back on the ads until Akin is locked in and then they will unleash. It will be just like Texas gov. race back in the 80's with Clayton Williams vs Ann Richards. He handed it over to her with his comments on rape. Akin needs to leave ASAP or the democrats will try to spill this toxin all over Republicans
William Braudis August 22, 2012 at 04:35 AM
EBEN, NOW YOU SCREWED UP THIS TOTAL DEBAIT. YOU HAVE A NERVE INPUTTING COMMEN SENSE INTO THIS DEBACLE. PLEASE NOTE THE NUMBER OF BRAIN DEAD THAT SEE NO PROBLEM KILLING CHILDREN, WHOS HEART HAS BEEN BEATING SHORTLY AFTER THE CELL BEGINS TO MULTIPLY BY BREAKING THE LIVING BABY APART PIECE BY PIECE AND TOSSING THE PIECES INTO THE GARBAGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. GOD'S BLESSINGS. PS: I DO HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT UPSET BY MY USING CAPITAL LETTERS.
William Braudis August 22, 2012 at 04:55 AM
EBEN, I FORGOT TO WARN YOU, MENTION GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPRITE AND ' THEY ' SLITTER ' OUT OF THEIR HOLES TO ATTACK. THE SAME WAY THEY HAVE DONE FOR OVER 2000 YEARS.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM
If the RNC won't have him, I'm sure the DNC would give him some face time -- in prime time. I would LOVE to see him there.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Way to label the escaped convict a Negro. Keep going to those sensitivity classes. You'll get it eventually. I agree with you on one point. You can't murder a baby. You can, however, abort a fetus. It's the law. It can't be outlawed at the state or federal level. The Supreme Court says so. The Constitution has to be amended to outlaw abortion. That just is NOT going to happen. The anti-abortion zealots are just like Sisyphus; pushing the stone every day and getting nowhere. إذا كنت تستطيع قراءة هذا، يرجى أن يغفر الاميركيين المتغطرس. أنهم يعتقدون أنهم يعرفون ما هو الأفضل بالنسبة للعالم. انهم هم من الأطفال يسبب اضطرابات في السوق حتى والدهما يضعهم في مكانهم. الله أكبر
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM
The scary thing is how MANY pieces of legislation that Akin and Veep Nominee Paul Ryan cosponsored. That's what is going to REALLY hurt. Linking a whack-job like Akin to the top ticket. It's Manna from Heaven for the Democrats. Akin, Ryan and Romney all favor a Personhood Amendment to the US Constitution. Personhood would: Outlaw ALL abortions in any scenario. Outlaw most forms of hormonal birth control (including most IUDs and The Pill). Outlaw in vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures. Why do Republicans and the Christian Right hate women's uteruses?
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM
From @govtfreevjj: "Now that Akin's continued campaign is inevitable, maybe the RNC should just lay back and enjoy it... #RNC #tcot #akin"
E. Schmidt August 22, 2012 at 02:12 PM
>>>His knowledge about basic biological functions is supremely deficient. I don't know if he's a young earth, dinosaurs-and-men-lived-together kook or not, but I don't want to find out at the tip of his legislative pen either.<<<< I regret to inform you that Todd Akin sits on the House Science and Technology Committee. Fortunately, he is not the chair. If this is the level of Akin's understanding of human biology/reproduction, he needs to resign from that committee now. There are many other science and health issues involving women AND men addressed by this committee. The Republicans have clearly appointed a moron to sit there and review legislation. They now know it for a fact. They need to fix it.
jglover August 22, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Todd Akin's comments were unfortunate. But actions always speak louder than words. His actions (voting record) is rock solid. I am thankful that he is still battling for my grandkids and Missouri. He is hands down the best of the candidates. Obama testified that aborted babies (that manage) to survive abortion, should be put to death. Infanticide. Note..the media did not start a firestorm with that comment. His words were very sincere, by the way. Those of us who trully know Akin. Know that he is rock solid, the words he spoke are not his heart nor lifestyle. He made a mistake. I accept his apology and just sent money to continue this battle.
RDBet August 22, 2012 at 06:41 PM
FactCheck.org disagrees with you. But you've accomplished the goal - getting that Obama and infaticide notion out there. Is the Right wing really this desparate for more power? Last time I checked, the GOP holds many offices in government.
RegalT62 August 22, 2012 at 06:48 PM
Elizabeth, I agree. We do lump everyone into the extremes. I liked hearing Scott Brown say yesterday he is "pro-choice" and that not all Republicans are like Akin. Hearing John Danforth, a Republican I respect as a man of principle, noted the same thing - that there are moderate Republicans out there. I don't think all Republicans are anti-women but I do think that the party has allowed itself to be taken over by the far, extreme right. Those moderate Republicans need to stand up and be heard.
Julie Michel August 22, 2012 at 07:39 PM
To anyone who is whining about Democrats crossing over and voting in the Republican primary -- so what? Regardless of party affiliation, voters get to choose in which in which primary they will cast their vote. Right or wrong, this is the law in the State of Missouri. If you don't like it, try to get the law changed. If posting here is the most you are willing to do about, then you should just shut your trap about it.
William Braudis August 22, 2012 at 08:07 PM
In this day and age candidates simply cannot tell their real beliefs. One, and just one mis-step and the world crashes down upon their heads. obama lied throughout his 2008 campaign and was a hero, now knowing that he did nothing but lie, people can not wait to put him back into office an act that will totally destroy America. Remember that 1%, that will support many in that 99% group after the dictator obama steals their money ? Well, a large portion of their assets have been moved out of the States into non-traceable business. Did you really believe that people educated enough to warrant large salaries and bonuses would stand as goat going to the slaughterhouse ? Slime ball obama only thinks that he will run the U.S., with the money that he steals from the 1% and, baby, you are in for hugh Fathom Taxes that you have no idea that you are paying so to understand you had better read up on " Value Added Fee's and add on Taxes built into the price of the Commodity that you are about to purchase. The difference between the Price normally charged minus the price that you will be charged, equals the new Taxes that the poor, middle class and the 1% will be paying obama. Of course Sales Tax will be added to the Sales price. So yes, you will be paying Taxes on Taxes and Fees.
William Braudis August 22, 2012 at 08:21 PM
Scott, you and others are really sick puppies. You really get your kixs by killing live babies. I really believe that you and others with fried brains should be required to take tweezers and pull out parts of the live baby. First, perhaps a leg that you must rip off of the live body then perhaps the head ripped from the neck and with the baby dead this might make the rest of the disassembly easier for you.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 23, 2012 at 12:59 PM
To/From: William Braudis "Scott, you and others are really sick puppies." I don't know about the others, but personally I have to say, "Thanks!" "You really get your kixs by killing live babies." I have never killed a baby. I hurt one once. I was 4 and I was holding my little brother. He started to puke and I freaked out and pushed him over onto the floor. (That's what my parents told me, I can't testify to the accuracy.) Back to your comment: Live babies is redundant. So is 'legitimate rape'. All babies are live babies, and all rapes are 'legitimate rapes'. The rest is just graphic detail spouted by a zealot and not relevant to Todd Akin's inability to comprehend simple biological processes. Any woman that is near the middle of her cycle has the ability to become pregnant. Todd Akin does not believe that. Todd Akin is an idiot. That is the point.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 23, 2012 at 01:16 PM
Yes Todd Akin's record IS rock solid. Rock solidly insane. Todd Akin supports: * Reversing Roe v Wade. * Eliminating Title X. * Forcing victims of rape to carry their rapist's child to full term. * Forcing victims of incest to carry their inbred child to full term. * Banning hormonal birth control. * Banning the Plan B emergency contraceptive. * Banning in vitro fertilization. * Sending rape victims to prison for having or attempting to have an abortion. * Sending incest victims to prison for having or attempting to have an abortion. * Sending doctors to prison for educating women about, or advising women to have an, abortion. Failing that, Todd Akin supports: * Forcing women to have a trans-vaginal ultrasound at least 24 hours prior to having an abortion. It does not matter if the woman does not want, or her doctor concludes that she does not need, an ultrasound. * Forcing women to listen to a government written speech - that lacks scientific facts and includes lies about the possible link between abortion and breast cancer - before having an abortion. * Forcing women to wait (for up to a week) between a consultation with a doctor and the performing of an abortion. You know, so the woman can think over her obviously rash decision. It also forces women to run the anti-abortion gauntlet outside of most women's health clinics twice. Todd Akin is a mainstream Republican. Look at their party platform. Why do Republicans hate women?
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 23, 2012 at 01:21 PM
What does all that crap (convoluted crap) about the president have to do with the fact that Todd Akin is a very large, amazingly ignorant and backward, tool?
E. Schmidt August 23, 2012 at 01:32 PM
Akin rock solidly believes that the federal government has become too large and thinks limiting your right to vote for the direct election of US Senators is a solution to the problem??? Hard to argue with that kind of logic, eh? ...If for no other reason that there is no actual logic involved in his reasoning which includes a serious deficiency to determine cause and effect and the law of unintended consequences. He is a danger to everyone who hold voting rights dear. >>>The 17th Amendment On the campaign trail, Akin has lamented the growth in the size and scope of the federal government and has said he is concerned with the erosion of states’ rights. One solution, according to Akin, could be repealing the 17th Amendment, which gives the people the right to vote directly for their U.S. senators. That idea has been embraced by some members of the Tea Party, who say the amendment takes away an important check on the federal government’s power. “It may well be that a repeal of the 17th amendment might tend to pull that back,” Akin said, referring to federal authority. The congressman hasn’t staked a firm position on the issue, but has said he’s leaning toward wanting to repeal the amendment.<<< See him say he wants to limit your voting rights in the video here-- http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/20/todd-akin-s-most-outrageous-comments-video.html
E. Schmidt August 23, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Scott, Todd Akin is the first, albeit self-inflicted, casualty of Culture War 2012. The GOP was hoping we wouldn't notice the battle is still raging around the question of rape. Akin put a gun to his head on live TV and missed. Now, the GOP leadership has placed his head on the tracks hoping the freight train of Republican voter anger will finish the job. He's already brain dead and just flopping around a bit...kind of like a Republican zombie. The only question is will the contagion spread to the rest of the party? There's nothing to win here. Just enjoy the show. Grab a couple of beers out of the fridge. I'll get the popcorn. Take a break man.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 23, 2012 at 02:25 PM
I was going to go all "logic and extrapolation" on you, but I'm getting tired of this crap. Todd Akin is an idiot. The end. Claire McCaskill is not the Democratic Senator I wish for, but she's better than anything from the right. Todd Akin is good for Democratic candidates all over the country and I hope - I PRAY - he keeps fighting the losing fight.
Reverend Scott E. Lee August 23, 2012 at 02:26 PM
Yeah! Ain't it GREAT?
E. Schmidt August 23, 2012 at 02:50 PM
Yes. As my old man would say, "This calls for a Budweiser!" My Republican friends (yes, scott, you can be friends with Republicans and even allies) are fully prepared in the event the contagion spread throughout the GOP. http://ballwin-ellisville.patch.com/articles/ellisville-to-prepare-for-zombie-apocalypse I'm telling you brother, kick back. We are about to watch some absurd political theater put on for us in our very own backyard. Just enjoy...

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